Louisa Gertrude Simmons

#62690, b. 1890

Individual's Timeline

Birth1890Louisa Gertrude Simmons
Marriage1909Louisa Gertrude Simmons
19391939Louisa Gertrude Simmons1

Primary events

Secondary circumstances

  • Married Name: Her married name was Underwood.

Census details

Anecdote - Musings and Reasonings

Research note (complicated): I found Louisa living with a married sister in 1901. This sister does not appear with the family in 1891, but was also born in Chatham Kent, so I am confident we have the same Louisa.

133, Blackfriars Road, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Haggata Head Married Male 28 1873 Milkman Norfolk, England
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Nellie Haggata Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Chatham, Kent, England
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Louisa H Simmons Sister Single Female 12 1889 - Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Louisa is not found in the 1911 census so I looked for a marriage. She married George UNDERWOOD


This is supported by finding Louisa UNDERWOOD with George in the 1911 census. There is a child Nellie aged 9 months. George is working for Lacons Brewery. Address is 5 Row 8 1/2 Great Yarmouth.

I have not found a death for Louisa Gertrude UNDERWOOD (or similar) in Norfolk. There are a handfull of Louisa UNDERWOOD deaths of the right age elsewhere in England, but I have no way of telling if any are ours.

After 1912 the mother's maiden name is included in the birth rego index. There are a number of births recorded for UNDERWOOD mother SIMMONS,

The ones in Yarmouth are:

Betty J 1926
Edna M 1920
Harry J 1931
Robert J 1914
Violet M 1928
William E 1923

The dates indicate they 'could' all be Louisa's children. In 1931 she would only have been 41, but I am NOT saying that these are certainties..
Research note (complicated): Major portion of an email to Scott UTTING who is a descendent of Louisa (or someone with the same name).

I bent my mind to Louisa Gertrude SIMMONS, and I also cannot find her birth in the usual indexes.

Note in passing here that the TRUE name of the family should be LARN, as Thomas who married Ellen was the illegitimate son of Mary Ann LARN, and he was Chr as LARN. Also note that I have not yet found a Thomas/Ellen marriage (not looked very hard). I suspect it will be hiding under the name of LARN....

Regardless, the children of the Thomas/Ellen marriage were all registered as SIMMONS, so this is simply for us to take note of.

Back to Louisa - I widened my search and came up with a Gertrude SIMMONS who was registered in MaR qtr 1890 in Norwich. To eliminate her as a possible I searched for a death before the census and BUGGER I found she died in the next qtr, so it is NOT her.

I then looked for all SIMMONS (any spelling except SYMONDS) Births in Yarmouth between 1889 and the census. There were no girls registered.

This leaves us with these possibilities

(1) birth not registered, or registration details fatally mucked up in some way.

(2) Birth was to some other woman, with a different family name, and Louisa was adopted after being registered in real mother's name. Adoption was not a 'legal' process then, much more informal. If this is the case, then the woman would most likely be a relative.

(3) She was born and registered somewhere other than Yarmouth. This is less likely as her place of birth in the census was Yarmouth.

I guess the real question would be - Who did Louisa say her father was when she married? We know that she married in Yarmouth in 1909, so if you get the certificate you will get this info. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU DO.

Research Notes

  • Research note 01: Louisa's marriage cert says her father is James Thomas SIMMONS. There are no James Thomas SIMMONS who have bmd events (any date) in Norfolk. There are many though in other counties. There are no James Thomas SIMMONS in any census year of any age in Norfolk.

Child of Louisa Gertrude Simmons and George Charles Underwood

Citations

  1. Find my past web sites, online http://www.findmypast.com or http://www.findmypast.com.au, UnderwoodHousehold Great Yarmouth C.B., Norfolk, England
         First name(s)      Last name(s)      Birth year
         George C      Underwood      1888
    Louise Gertrude Underwood is also on this record
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