Margaret Arthur

#22801, b. 1724, d. 1824

Individual's Timeline

Christening1724Margaret Arthur1
Marriage12 November 1743Margaret Arthur2
Marriage of Daughter11 December 1772Sophia Penman3,4
Death Assumed1824Margaret Arthur

Primary events

  • Christening: Margaret Arthur was christened in 1724 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland. Not the Margaret ARTHUR who was born in Scoonie, Fife, in 1722, as she married John LINDSAY.1
  • Marriage: She married John Penman, son of George Penman and Isabel Paterson, on Tuesday, 12 November 1743 in Kirkcaldy, Scotland, when they were 20 years, 5 months and 28 days ~&~ 19 years old.2
  • Marriage of Daughter: Her child Sophia Penman was married on 11 December 1772 in Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland.3,4
  • Death Assumed: An assumed death before date for Margaret, to facilitate the virtual witness function on my web site in 1824. Any supporting evidence is in the Citation.

Secondary circumstances

  • Married Name: Her married name was Penman.

DNA Research Notes

Research note Re DNA test(s): 2015-09-20 13:14:19 vosh58@gmail.com 7771774 : P1415 Margaret Arthur, b. 1724, Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland, d. , FATHER: ??, MOTHER: ??

This woman is my 6GGM. I think this is a little too far in the past to mean the DNA will help us, but I would like to have a go anyway. Before I start to work out how to do this, I thought I would send this along to you, in case you are a very experienced DNA-er.

My line is - she married John PENMAN 1743 in Kirkaldy.

daughter Sophia PENMAN is my 5GGM, she married John LEITCH, daughter is Margaret LEITCH.

Margaret married William NEISH, son is Andrew NEISH.

Andrew married Margaret REID, daughter is Sarah NEISH.

Sarah married John SHARP, daughter is Sarah SHARP.

Sarah SHARP married James RUSSELL, daughter is Helen RUSSELL This couple are my GGP

My Kit number is A220019. I am sorry but I have not worked out how to get a kit number from Gedcom info.

I did a tier 1 search without changing the parameters, and you do NOT show up in the list of matches - which is what I would have expected for a 6GGM.

Received reply almost immediately.....


Maria O’Shea(1867-1899) married Richard Coutts (1866-1954), Richard was the son of Richard Coutts (1832-1891) and Janet Condie, (1844-1921) Janet was the daughter of George Condie (1824-) and Margaret Black (1819-) George was the son of Andrew Condie (1790-1861) and Margaret Penman (1793-) Margaret was the daughter of George Penman (1755-) and Janet Rennie (1767-1853) and George was the son of John Penman (1729-) and Margaret Arthur (1724-)
I have attached a detailed pdf report of the Ancestors of Richard Coutts for you..

Research Notes

  • Research note 01: Ancestry trees have 1724 Kirkcaldy Fife Scotland as an 'estimated' birth. Many researchers and no one has come up with her parentage.
    * There are 3 christenings in Kirkcaldy in this period for the one set of parents, James ARTHUR and Margaret ARCHIBALD. They are Christian 22nd Oct 1721, another Christian 6th October 1723 and Janet 19th June 1720. Parish register is missing marriages between 1689 and 1731. Note says that births and marriages have 'not been carefully kept' for the period 1732-1743.
    * There are other christenings to a couple of the same name in neighbouring parishes - Kathrine 22nd July 1711 Abbotshall; Margaret 21st Dec 1712 Abbotshall; Helen ARTHUR 18th Sep 1715 Abbotshall; Sophia 17th April 1718 Abbotshall; James ARTHUR and Margaret ARCHIBALD married in Abbotshall in 28th Sep 1711..
  • Research note 02: It may be possible to find her burial in GSV records for Fife.
Background information on Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland, - in 1846 the town was described as being on the north of the Firth of Forth, upon a narrow strip of level land at the base of a ridge of rising ground, and extends for a mile and a half along the shore, consisting principally of one street of old ill-built houses. Towards the centre of this line, the street expands for some distance into greater width, containing numerous modern well-built houses of handsome appearance, and a few good inns. At the time Margaret and John married Kirkcaldy was suffering a downturn in commercial terms. By 1760 the once thriving seaport had only 1 coasting sloop of sixty tons' burthen, and two ferry-boats of thirty tons each. Sophia left Kirkcaldy for Abbotshall, but at least some of her children returned to a much more prosperous town around 1795.

Children of Margaret Arthur and John Penman

Citations

  1. International Genealogical Index (IGI), LDS member submission.
  2. International Genealogical Index (IGI), Name:     John Penman
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    Spouse's Name:     Margaret Aurther
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    Event Date:     12 Nov 1743
    Event Place:     Kirkcaldy,Fife,Scotland
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    Indexing Project (Batch) Number:     M11442-6
    System Origin:     Scotland-ODM
    GS Film number:     1040186
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    Citing this Record:
    "Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTP5-BJJ : 8 December 2014), John Penman and Margaret Aurther, 12 Nov 1743; citing Kirkcaldy,Fife,Scotland, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,040,186.
  3. International Genealogical Index (IGI), C113995      1750 - 1785.
  4. International Genealogical Index (IGI), M113997      1764 - 1819.
  5. International Genealogical Index (IGI), C114426      1743 - 1783.